Brian, I agree. I think WDHC' s point concurs with that as well. SAK would be fine under the " old" structure we had 10+ years ago. That is, no t-zone, etc. That is not the situation now. And as you put it, adding forumlas to formulas is tricky business. This in large part explains the 20% disparity in deer count that appears to be the case this year. With that margin of error, SAK becomes worthless.

Again, I think the overwintering goals are part of the problem in many areas. And " hunter satisfaction" is one issue that the DNR cannot simply ignore when coming up with population goals. As they have stated many times, hunters are their primary " deer management tool" . It' s not smart to create animosity with your most important " tool" , especially given the fact that you might need them down the road for, let' s say, an " eradication zone" . On a previous thread, I raised the issue that the DNR is their own worst enemy when it comes to PR. Not that it is possible or even desireable to try and structure things so that everyone is happy. But when we see polls like the one that came out of the Deer 2000 survey that indicated only 18% of hunters had a high degree of confidence in the DNR, that indicates a problem.