I bought a Wolf this time last year. After talking my self in and out of one for the last ten years or so. I got mine for $100 brand new in the box. It was ordered for someone and when it came in they didn't want it so my FFL sold it to me. Threw in some Powerbelts and primers too. The CVA's are a lower priced gun but, I don't regret buying mine. It got my feet wet into muzzleloading and I enjoy it very much. I'm thinking of buying a TC Omegaor Triumph next. There is a lot of Optimas and Wolfs being sold so that should say something. Go to Cabelas and Bass Pro Shops web site and read the customer reviews on the CVAs