as soon as the secret limb width comes out, lol, Dnk can start twisting up FFF's for them, lol. Just kidding Randy, but do have a serious question for ya. Why all the secrecy from the various xbow mfgrs this late in the game w/ ATA show so close? Common sense says no company has time to copy or steal ideas, [except the Chinese, apparently, lol] I'd like to know why.