I have shot them for years. The best that ive owned was a Savage. I know use a Trophy Ridge, not real impressed by it. I shoot a 60 lb bow with Beamen 400 arrows. Sighted in for 20 yds on the ground. It is dead on from 0-30 yds from 17 ft up. Hunting hill sides is a different story. Need to be on flat ground 15-20 ft up.