I vote Ruger! I own several and never one lick of problem. I too must laugh at such a strong statement as for accuracy and fit and finish...Ruger is in my opinion a top notch weapon. Ruger has set many high standards for others to follow.... Im not saying Rem's are not a good choice,,,they are damn great rifles! I just feel Ruger is an overall better choicecant go wrong either way though....