I haven't tried my N Englander yet, its been raining and high gusting winds since last sunday. I have a Grey Hawk with 1:48 thats almost a twin sister to them. I haven't shot it for groups either. I have shot gn. sabots with speer 240 jsp .429 Gold Dots and open sights. At 45/50 yds. i consistantly hit a playing card every time from a table using sandbags. 70 grs. of Pyro P.