Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is true that if I hunted the adirondacks or big woods where you would see one deer in a week I might have a different opinion on things. My opinions are only based on what I experience hunting. I can tell you that seeing 20 deer in one day is not reality. If you hunted where I hunt your opinion might chane as well and you might let a 4pt walk just knowing teh chance for a "bigger" deer is reasonable. Your comment of "like at an arcade shooting gallery would not be much of a challenge" is exactly why I am not in favor of rifles. To me it takes the sport andchallenge out of it.