Thanks for all your advice i picked up a jug of 777 and some 250 grain shockwaves at wally world and am going to give that a try. A buddy of mine swears by the powerbelts has any one had much success with those? How does the 777 shoot compared to the pyrodex? My old man swears by the 777 but i dont think he has gave the pyrodex much of a chance. thanks for everything!!