Once with a bow - and several times with a gun. The bow show was a 5 yd double lung shot - blow through.

With a gun - once I had one "Mule kick" into a head 1st summersault - it never got back up.

I shot my 1st elk last fall at 45 yds - and it mule kicked into a headstand - just kind of "hung there" a second - then crumpled......dead.

FH