I have shot seven grouse so far with the New Englander... The farthest being about 30 yards out. So far this New Englander is working real good on grouse. Even with the full choke on it. My load is 80 grains of 2f APP, with an over the powder card, then a fiber wad, then 90 grains of #5 and finally an over the shot card. I get better groups the old fashioned way, then I do with the plastic shot cups.