I wrapped my arms around the tree made a fist with my hands, and I' m 6' tall I was going to put my treestand up in it, but then I saw the rub and decided not to. It was a rarity, because i' m guessing it was 15-20" wide. But it' s been rubbed on in the past 2 years. Other than that one, I see 2-3 every year in the 12" range, not always on cedars but most of the time.