Where I hunt in Northern Michigan you might see one in your whole life, I've been hunting for 4 years and never seen one nor has anyone in my family, I have one 2.5 year old on camera from 2 years ago, that just shows how rare even 2.5 year old bucks are, the poaching is terrible and there havent been doe permits for about 5 years the ratios are way screwed up, yet I still hunt every weekend.