Why would you think that? I've heard Dakota actions, Jewell triggers, sako barrels, and HS precision stocks. Sound pretty good to me. Only thing is they are about 8 lbs which is pretty heavy in my book, and I dont like the detachable mag. Funny you mention the Winchesters, I've got my eye on the synthetic/stainless model. As for CRF, its not as much as an issue to me. Another model I was looking at was the non-cataloged browning with the stainless barrel and duratouch stock in 30-06. Not a fan of the short mag junk. dont really care about the camo, but I dont like the stalker stock either. they seem pretty cheap to me..