I'm telling you there are as many deer in unit 60B and unit 11 as there have ever been. Yes that is only 2 units, but all the units around 11 BESIDES 11 are threatened to go EAB next season. That tells me the population surrounding 11 is even higher. Just stating facts as I see them around my hunting areas. I understand other areas are different. The mature buck hunting has been more difficult as a result of the higher population IMO.