i got a little 5 point today with the 45-70 about a 75 yard shot stright through both lungs ,he went about 50 yards up in the timber before he crashed. the damage was about the same as a 240 grain xtp. i been getting about a 3 inch differance in drop with the 45-70 x the 50 cal with a 240 xtp hp. and a 150 gr. powder load the scope is set the same but the 45-70 just runs out of gas before the blackpowder load does.