Buddy, all i can tell you is to just drop out of this one! there comes a time when you just have to back out! this is one of those times, those people are set in there ways and it doesnt matter if you deliver a perfect explination, and reason for it they will still be against it. have you ever tried convincing someone that hunting isnt bad in person? i have and it is not easy! heck, some i have to at least being neutral about it, but some just wont buge! trying to change there minds over a computer, dang near imposible!