Extreme, your right. It's funny. People were all about not having a short brace height because thet wanted forgivness and something easier to shoot. Am I wrong? And now 6 inch brace height again. The same goes with single cams IMO. Everyone was going to a single cam bow. It was all the hype, "solocam". And now it's back to dual cam type bows. Or are these cams today different from old dual cams, or the same concept. I honestly don't know exactly.