Thanks for explaining Critr-gtr. I was unaware that there was cattle around that ranch. Also, Paul I can see we just have two different opinions, and Im not one to argue about who is right or wrong. Again, for the 20th time, if someone wants to shoot a deer in that circumstance then go for it, you just won't get respect from some of us, and some you may. I don't care if I ripped on the woman, she really was about 20-21yrs old, not a kid. It is what it is, if she got a rush off of that, then she may go into heart failure if she ever does it with a bow at 12 yds. Face it Paul, we see deer hunting in two different lights, if you think that is deer hunting on Tecomonte then good, I don't think it is, but some may feel that bowhunting pressured deer is not hunting, and that taking a mature deer with the bow on open range property is not as much of a challenge as shooting one with a .308cal rifle at 300 yds on a ranch in Texas. Oh well, I guess it's a matter of opinion. Ps, Im glad we can disagree and be respectful at the same time, that's why I love this forum. No joking Paul.Take care friend.