I'll tell you what i bought a box of 3 inch 2's earlier in the year for late season divers and just broke them out this morning for geese jsut to try them out. The last decoy in our spread on the ice was 50 yards out and I shot 2 geese just under 45 yards out and 30 yards up with those 2's and both birds were stone deadbefore they hit the ice. I'm very impressed with them especailly when I normally shoot T's for geese.