I got the crank figured out with the Profusion and the Vortex is a give-me....I should say that yesterday my 8yr old son and I went and took down one single 15ft ladder stand and my 12ft double person ladderstand,also moved my one groundblind,was getting leery about haveing too many stands out due to the fact there has been people on the north side of the property I hunt so now I have one 15ft stand and the one ground blind out there...