you mentiond the NEF 10 Guage i dont have the 10 i have the 12 it kicks like a mule, but i like it, i havnt figured out the right load just yet, but still for 160 in camo, that is a good deal, the 10 i think is alittle more, but my uncle has the 10 and its a turkey killing machine he shot a big double beard this past season at 45 yards, so i would say it shoots good.