this has been posted many o time on the site, and heatedly discussed......Do they work as hard as you/I for their deer?....NO, they don't have to......therefore, i feel they are missing out......after the scouting......trail cameras.......stand setting......scent control.......hunt prep.......not to mention the multiple daysin a treewithout seeing the buck. finally making it work and getting the buck you were after is much more meaningful to me than it ever will be for them.........no matter what anyone says. no accomplishment whatsoever!!! case closed.