loogout1, Getting the stuff in there without sweating is a real issue, especially in warm weather. I don't put on my outer layer or two until I get the sticks and stand in place, which usually works, and I tend to sweat a LOT. That doesn;pt work as well in warm weather, though. That's one reason I put a high value on the weight of the equipment. Lone Wolf stuff is really light. 4 sticks with a hangon stand (Alpha Assault) is only 19 lbs, less than many climbers.