Thanks for the encouragement and the advice Greg. I moved as little as possible yest. Just enough so I could get a look at this "area" I couldn't see from my reg stand, kind of like a hunting/scouting move. Theresa plateau and then another hill. The does came from thenw skirting the bottom of the hill and thru some cattails. The big guy came from the nne across the hill(almost opposite direction) checked them all and then headed n up the hill. He was 70 yds and never turned to come my way. When I realized he wan't keying on any of the does, I tried calling. I think next time I'm going to try and set up at the bottom of the hill in a cluster of evergreens that are right on the draw the does came in on and right where he exited up the hill.