I am serious! I could care less what you shoot, why would I lie about it? This particular shot this guy took was on a wounded deer my brother had hit the day before. We seen the deer bedded and me and 3 other guys slowly approached while my brother and another guy posted 30 yards in front of us. Thisfriend of mine had the only open shot when the deer stood up, it was a severe butshootable angle, he aimed for the last rib hoping to come out behind the shoulder on the other side. The arrow glanced right off the riband into the dirt between its legs. He got an earfull from a few us about thekind of broadhead he shootsand what can happen with some of these mechanicals. Luckilywe got one more crack at the deer an hour later and this time my other buddy zipped him good behind the shoulder. You could see plain as day where the rage hit thedeer on the outside of the rib on the hide. It sliced it about 2 inches long on the hide. This is the only time i've seen it, i'veheardof a few others incidents. You go ahead and shoot what you want, don't matter to me what you shoot, but don't call me a liar!!!!!