Thanks, I actually cant see the area unless I'm "in" there, so popping in is not an option. I'm pretty sure the rut is done here so the 2nd will hopefully draw them out. I puposely didn't go there this morning because of fear ofbumping them out. I think I'm probably going to hunt it just afternoons from now on. Just really disappointed in the buck quantity(big and small) this year. I haven't done anything differenty this year than years past and cant figure out what it is.