sabotloader,Keep an eye on them they have 2/3 of the archery and muzzleloading stuff marked down here. So far I have bough bullets [Shock Waves ] and several accessories,[for around 1/2 price]and I am watching the powder its down to 12 $ for RS and 20 for 777 and the have a thumb hole stock Omega [ yes I know that wound make 16 and there are more than one pair thats alike] but if I can get it below 150 I am afraid my resistance goes down for good deals. Lee