I live in Lee county va. froy09 I don't use any of the junk they have on the market the only thing I use is tinks 69 so far I have had no problems in the last 3 years I have taken 3 8 points and this 9 point the most important think is to control you're scent so the deer can't smell you and use the wind to you're use to take you're scent away. hope this helps good luck