bought a 30-30 marlin 336a last season. I use it when we are in the woods or driving thru the thick stuff. I had a scope on it but since removed. See thru rings and accuracy just wasn't there. I love hunting with it. It's nice and short, lightweight, no recoil and with iron sights i can hit whatever i point it at in close range. Wouldn't be without it on a deer hunt.