These guns are well made, but there is something about them that keeps them from shooting well. Some say it is barrel quality, which may be the case. I suspect there is also something about their design which impairs the way they shoot. I recall that at about the time the Mini 30 showed up, Ruger was touting an enlarged version called the XGI, which was to be available in .308 and .243 Win. Well, thie XGI' s design was very similar to the Minis, but it never hit the dealers' shelves. Reason: Ruger could never get them to hit twice in the same place! No matter what they tried, accuracy with the XGI was even worse than with the Mini' s!! Must have been awful!!