Il trophyhunter, there is some thruth to what you say. I have actually had to take the bolt cutters and cut the jaw bone and then had to hook it with the pullers and pull it out and hand it over to the bioligist or the volunteer, you just do what it takes, lot of these folks are still in school or either volunteering, but they share our common goal, if you can help them in an easier way in assisting them, then roll up your sleeves