Twice I killed deer at 10 steps. One time I was going to my stand and a 8 point came running towards me that was probably jumped by someone else going to their stand. The other I was on a logging road and was standing by a tree and a 7 point wanted to cross, it stuck his head out and I was ready, when he took the next step I put the whole thing in his shoulder. Surprisingly this deer went almost 150 yards with his heart in pieces.