soarkreb If you ever get a chance at getting a cam get it. It is almost has fun has hunting. We got a pic of a big 10 pionter and found the left shed this year.Havent found the other side yet. We take pics year round so we can get a good ideal of what we have. We only have about 700 acres but the pics we get are unreal. I have always that our buck to doe ratio was way out until we got our cam.Seems to be alot better that I thought. I mean out of 28 pics we alot of bucks ( at night) and alot were big. We hunt near Dalton this area is hunted hard by locals and road hunters and dogs are everywhere.I know what you mean about the 4 wheelers. The only time we use ours is to fill feeders or get a deer other than that we walk. Its doesnt take a deer any deer long to figure out whats going on with all the road traffic a nd people traffic to start moving at night. Do I think the deer population is down ? Naw but I do think they are adapting to their enviroment. Its not hard to figure us out. Its hard hunting own our lease with all thats going on around us but the deer are there.