Roskoe (and others) thanks for the comments. i fully agree with you on the robin hood thing. i have no desire to shoot my own arrows. i am however looking for a guideline for what is good to real good accuracy for a hunter. i dont plan at this time or even the futureto try to shoot in competition. i only want to be an accurate hunter. witha rifle i am a real good shot i hope to get there with a bow as well. as for pounds of draw i am 43 years, and had to give up being a mechanic and welder due to issues with my hand strength. i am not looking for the macho bow. i want one that will give me a smooth pull and large let off so i can hold for the perfect (or damn near) shot. at the same time i use a hot load in my rifles so as to assure a fast clean kill. i am looking for that kind of performance with a bow. i understand that with the rifle it is a ton more energy and shock value than with the bow but what is the mininum i should be using for good clean kills? as i stated earlier i am very much a newbie at this and am looking for the advise of you all here with years more time on the bow than me. main thing is i want to continue to be an ethical hunter as well as find a bow than i can continue to use for years to come.