Bearguy, thanks. A number of guys in our group shoot the 125gr thunderheads to, as did I...that was until I found Muzzy. Out of my bow setup they flew much better than my thunderheads did in 125 gr. I have actually dropped down to 100gr for deer and bear(muzzy) and am tickled with the preformance. I am pretty leary of 100 gr and moose, seen & heard some pretty odd stuff with heads in those critters. I may give 100' s a whirl, last fall I just provided the music for the bulls, only thing I shot was a bale at camp for 7 days. Still very fun.