I will agree with you. The buck roar is a great call. However, I have never had the "roar" work, but as far as the the grunting with this call there is not a better call out there imo. I had a true talker and i ended up giving it to my brother because the buck roar is so much louder. I also like the snort wheeze on it, and little things like a compass make it even better. As far as the buck roar goes, deer have been making that sound since before we were here. It's not something that was invented. It is more of a territorial grunt, and unless you have a a lot of mature bucks on your property it probably wont be that effective.