I shot the heck out of them... some of them really well - some of them really bad... But for my first time i was just glad they cleared the barrel!!!

Shooting an old Renegade 54 cal (pitted barrel) 1/48with 80 & 70 grains of Pyro RS - .530 Speer Round ball -.015 Muzzleloader Originals Lubed Patch 2000+ . Fit seems really good and moves down the barrel tightly.

There was absolutely no pattern to anything from 25 yards to 100 yards. The only thing that seemed to be close was elevation at all distances... Left & right never came together...

Question? How do you properly place ball and patch... After the ball is pushed down into the barrel a couple of inches - if you look at it - you see about 1/2 the diameter of the ball but often the patch is not close to being equal all the way around the ball - Problem?

Appreciate any that comes about...