Thanks again, i'll probably be checking this regularily everyday, i am gonna hook up with the retriever club i think this summer, take her out and do a walk or two a day and not push it with her, if she doesn't wanna work, she can stay in the crate in the truck while i go walk with my uncle and his dog. there is a retriever club around the area, and i am gonna go there i think next summer w/ her, my uncle took his dog there and she is probably the best dog i've hunted behind, part of that is breeding and part training i know, but i mean from the way he handled his dog and the way i handle mine is similar, and she has a good background for bloodlines anyways. i'll just have to keep working with her, i'm not ready to give up on her yet, it is very frusturating to go out though with people whose dogs work well and your's doesn't work as well as you'd want after all the work you've put into the dog. oh well, she'll just have to come out with me anyways and figure it out and i'll work it out of her.