cool. thats what I was thinking. rates look alright as well. I wander what the success rate is. I mean anyone can say "Come hunt big bucks" and then after the hunt, and you get skunked, they can say "Well thats hunting, win some, lose some" screw that lol. i want a good chance to kill a mature deer. and would hate to pay 300 bucks or whatever to not seee or kill anything. i mean dont get me wrong, i love hunting and just being in the woods,but man do i want to kill myself a big ol wolly for my wall lol. i want to be sick: with buck fever lol. thanks forthe link tho. let me know what you end up doing. if i do it, i will prob. be shotgun hunting after thansgiving.