i know its late but thought id add mine its a california archery bear that was 569# gutted. live estimate is 675 by several people he scored 20 14/16 and # 9 all time in california we got him out guts out only which was a miracle in its self 2 people made it happen but wasnt easy i figured out the secret to it thought front pads then rear then front and keep repeating till finished very very time consuming and hard but he was well worth it.