last year i used mrs.doepee doe urine w/estrus. i might as well have not used it, because besides the one buck that smelled it (the last thing he did) i had bucks galore walk down wind of it several times, and didnt even look at it let alone come into it. i will have to note that i was out in the peak of the rut when every doe in the state is in heat, so....everyone knows the "fake" (even though its real) stuff doesnt compete with the real thing.