Sabotloader,

The deer that I took was with the .452 300 grain standard xtp--not the mag version. Goex 2f will only push it around 1500 at the muzzle and at 100 yards it would be going a little under 1200. Black powder must be used in a flinter so that's about all I can get for a 300 grainer; a 250 grainer would only be going about 1600 at the muzzle. Chaps bullet looks really good from his flinter. I am just hoping the the Gold dots are not even harder to expand at the speeds I can get with real black powder. I must say Chap's bullet is just the thing I am looking to achive. As usual; the best way to find out is try it for myself and see. I also believe I could get maybe another 100 f.p.s. with Swiss Brand 3f powder. I only have one tag for this year so it's either going to be the 250 Gold dot or the 300. Thanks for the replies and I post pic's of my results.