Thanks for the chart Chap. That's exactly what i was trying to find. From the chart, the 300 grain xtp's should have performed perfectly at the velocities my ML was shooting. Live and learn. I never had the experience of recovering one so I don't know exactly what happened. I'm assuming they didn't expand very well on the small deer around here. Maybe that's why I'm having such good luck with the all lead bullets. Thanks to the link on the xtp's, I'm off to read it now. Thanks again, this is very interesting, Greg