I'm not talking about shooting recurves with 2117s. I'm referring to shooting forgiving bows, with forgiving arrows. My arrows are carbons with close to 300 grains on the tip. That's not old school. In fact, it's so new, about 99% of the hunters out there don't even know it's possible, much less how effective it is. If you want the latest information on what's most effective, read Ashby's studies. Learn what the only significant lethality study says about it. Old school is thinking that KE means something. Old school is thinking that speed kills. Old school is not using range finders or knowing yardage at your stands. There's tons on old school stuff going on in big game hunting, and some of it is still relevant, but a lot of it is not what I'm doing.