OK I'll ad one from my 1860 Army Revolver that I've shot yesterday as an expiriment "you guys inspired me."

Gun:
25 year old Pietta 1860 Army steel frame .44
Loading:
30gr. FFFG Goex
Remington #11
Hornady .454 144gr.Ball

Chronograched @ 858fps. = 236ft. lbs.

Please forgive the pictures, they were taken with my camera phone here at work where my dial caliper is.

unfired ball.


Hitting into5 1X6 pine planks @ 20 yards. recovered weight = 130.2gr.


recovered from 9.1" of wet news print "inside a cardboard box" @ 20 yards. recovered weight = 139.8gr.


Yes it's just a round ball but the point is they do expand, maybe not a pretty as the new Gold Dots or what not but they do expand when hit into even relatively soft media & they have been killing Game for a long time..