Well i got to my stand late tonight and as i was climbing up i seen a fox. I race to the stand and pull my bow up while i keep making noises to keep it in my lane. I nock an arrow with a practice tip and let it fly. I learned that It is hard to guess distances. I put it right behind it it leg and low. Clean miss thank god If i had a better bow my 20 yard pin would be good at 25 yards or mabey close to 30 yards.