I know where you're coming from, there are hunters and there are people who think there hunters and that's what crawls me. You here these guys who say that shot this deer running full speed and he emptied his clip and had to reload to finish the deer off. What kind of hunter is that? SORRY, but I believe in fair chase, be sure of your shot. These so called hunters not only take a chance of wounding a deer but jeoperdize other hunters in the field with there so called great shot(empty a clip). Some may need to go back to hunter safety course.