well i did something stupid, i just bought a pair of celestron 8x42 outlands off of amazon, i did some research, and the people that had them seemed pretty pleased, so i bought them, they were only 62 bucks, and had a full lifetime nofault warranty, which i thought was a pretty good sign that this might be a good product, well i got them yesterday, the right optic was blurry around the right side of the optics, and i saw 2 images of everything i looked at, so they needed adjusted, so i sent them back this morning... oh well i really didnt lose anything but my time... i guess live and learn... i think im gonna go get the nikons.. or pentax...