bigtimer- thanks bud, i didnt see ur post when i just posted. yea i know this sight is great. thats why i ask alot of questions. im sure most people who hunt learned how to from people in their family or close friends. well noone i know hunts at all, except for my uncle a little but i hardly ever see him. so i come here and ask questions. im def. a safe hunter ya know, i just am not that fluent with a ML. that is a good idea tho, maybe i will come out after an hour or so and give it a few shots to be sure, but im pretty sure its on. thanks for the help every1