That's not what I meant. I've nearly taken the backward spill climbing into my ladder stand while it was raining before, it isn't a good feeling. What I was saying is that I don't feel safe standing up to shoot the bow without a harness on. Any time I'm on the stand with the bow I wear my harness, standing is the point that you're most likely to fall and most can't shoot a bow in a sitting position from a tree. I do feel safe with the shotgun because I don't have to stand up at any time other than climbing in or out because I can use the gun from a sitting position. As I said, the only times I'm not sitting are climbing in and out and the harness can't be used to climb into or out of the stand.

My point with the hanging from the harness was that you're in a position to have something to grab onto to help pull yourself up or at least hold you. Hangin 12ft off the ground from a tree with no limbs because you fell out of a climber is different. With a ladder stand you at least have the ladder to grab and use to take the harness pressure off.